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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Why I Hate Hippies

http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-I-Hate-Hippies

This article initially makes some good points but the slew of responses gets pretty ugly.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 16, 2010 4:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

I respect the right of anyone to be however they want to be. I deal with people all day long, from the homeless all the way up to the rich and smug. Different strokes for different folks man!
Jim Morrison was wrong.. People aren't strange.. they are very cool, and very interesting. Everyone has their own story!

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 16, 2010 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies (Lighten up, Francis)

I actually got a pretty good laugh out of this. Of course it's largely generalized bullshit, but it's still funny. As for the responses, they do get pretty ugly but you can't have it both ways, folks: if you're going to label all Republicans as "nazis" and the God’n’guns crowd as “ignorant rednecks", you really can't complain about hate speech when somebody starts taking the piss out of dreadlocks and Birkenstocks. I’ve always found it kind of amusing that many of the same people who claim to champion diversity, freedom of choice, and a rejection of labels have no compunction about stereotyping anyone who prefers short hair to ponytails or Dockers to bluejeans. Make no mistake- 30 plus years after the glory days of the Haight, anyone choosing to cover themselves head to toe in the trapping s of “hippy-ness” is buying into a pre-packaged image every bit as much as someone who wears the uniform of the goth, or the punk, or the hip-hopper, or the jock. Which isn’t to say there’s anything wrong with that, but let’s not take ourselves too seriously here: there’s enough hypocrisy to go around both sides.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 16, 2010 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies (Lighten up, Francis)

Right. Generalized bullshit definitely. The article, I think, was a tongue in cheek rip on "dreadlocks and birckenstocks" like you said. I seriously doubt the author was expecting the mass of ignorant responses that ensued.

And to anybody else that wants to take a poke at me for posting a link: Save it...I aint the guy. The article has it's own forum...your wasting your words on me.

I apologize for not tagging this "non-dead" also

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Mar 16, 2010 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

This one really cracked me up!

"Real hippies don't have nappy, mite infested dreadlocks. Find me one freakin hippie in 1969 with dreadlocks, I challenge you. Your not a rasta, or indian, or egyptian.....your a silly upper class cracker, now take some of mommy and daddys money and get a haircut."

'Get a haircut' was THE most frequent complaint back in the '60's!!! Some things never change.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 16, 2010 5:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies


I think it is time for another grain of Salt

Coffee almost came out my nose when I read #4

"Stop playing "fire on the mountian" at every damm oppourtunity. This has become the "free bird" of wannabe hippies. I swear if I hear this song at the tavern again I'm going to torch the place. I don't care if you added an extra gutiar riff, or added another 10 minutes to the song,.......it's still the same freakin song, and you and your buddies aren't Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir."

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 16, 2010 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

>"Stop playing "fire on the mountian" at every damm oppourtunity. This has become the "free bird" of wannabe hippies.

That is hysterical.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 16, 2010 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Has it really??? I know many hippies from the Bay Area, and they defn would not even know that song...seriously. Most of the hippies that moved north to Marin in 67 (real summer of love was 66, just ask the DEAD), and on to Humboldt and Oregon in the early 70s, stopped listening to the DEAD by 73...

Are these second or third generation wannabees?

My whole concern with all of this is that it is another attack on a myth, straw man, whatever you want to call it, that only fits the youth on both sides of the love/hate relationship that have no real foundation in the "facts" (whatever they are).

It's as off base as all of the "hall of fame" entities we were all lamenting yesterday...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 16, 2010 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

And a child spoke unto them:

Eric Cartman:

"Independent films are those black and white hippy movies. They're always about gay cowboys eating pudding."

"I've been keeping this place free of hippies since I was five and a half."

"I hate hippies! I mean, the way they always talk about protecting the earth' and then drive around in cars that get poor gas mileage and wear those stupid bracelets… I hate 'em!"

"Hippies. They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad. God, I hate hippies."

http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/902/

Lighten up folks....

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 16, 2010 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

"gay cowboys eating pudding"

LMFAO

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 16, 2010 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippos

I heard they can be quite ornery and dangerous

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-03-16.sbd.vernon.9388.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 16, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

i didnt read the article, but i would suggest the comment was more hyperbole than anything else. just a guess though - this whole argument is beyond useless

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 16, 2010 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

"this whole argument is beyond useless"

I guess that's why it fits in so well around here...

:-)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 16, 2010 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

good point my friend

(guess i fell into the trap of stating the obvious)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 16, 2010 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

I think the keyword here is 'wannabe'. In my view you can't really be a beatnik if you weren't there in the 50s, a freak/hippy if you weren't there in the 60s, or a punk if you weren't there in the 70s. Everything is else is just imitation.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 16, 2010 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Precisely! And you articulate EXACTLY why my pretentious PM status here is nothing but that: imitation...I have no real power, no real status...so, whenever the masses call for me to make a rousing Winnie speech about fighting the trolls in the streets and on the beaches, or never surrendering to those that resort to name calling, please remind them all of this fact, oh ye of Brit Origin that doth understand the game...

Seriously.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 16, 2010 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

You, my friend, are utterly inimitable and bask in the warmth and approbation of all right-thinking forumites. Although, of course, you are only as good as your last election.

I think that's what Madame Wordsmith said anyway.

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 16, 2010 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

"Although, of course, you are only as good as your last election."

HA! Clinton(and many others) got that confused too.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 16, 2010 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

I am just so glad you just didn't change one letter in "election"...but, that'd probably be Dire's style...

And of course, I fig'd that's what Ms Wordsmith was really driving at...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 16, 2010 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Yeah, after that it's just fashion. Or maybe just the culture assimilating things slowly. When tie dye started to be big again a few years back, it was really driving me crazy. I kept wanting to say, But you people don't understand! But now, it's just something else people wear.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 16, 2010 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

However, the comments are indeed best avoided. A cross-section of lower internet life forms.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 16, 2010 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Ha, having actually read the article, I now see that he is in fact talking about latter generation pseudo hippies...maybe they do know Fire on the Mtn, but I doubt they have much in common with the folks wandering around the Haight in 66 looking for some sound, a cause, and a meal, and something to do with avoiding pregnancy...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 16, 2010 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

The comedian Patton Oswalt has the funniest bit on "I Hate Hippies" that I've ever heard....I'll paraphrase:

"...and here's why I hate hippies so fucking much: Patchouli Oil. Look, if you tried to come in here with vomit on your shirt and poop in your pants they wouldn't let you in...they'd say 'Go Home! You've got poop in your pants!' BUT....you can put on patchouli oil, which smells worse than shit and vomit COMBINED and go out and get laid at Bumbershoot? That's not right! 'Hey, Trust Fund Hippies--are you too busy to bathe? Well, just splash on some patchouli oil--you'll smell like dirt that's been fucked by a hobo."

(It goes on but you get the gist ;-)

BTW, I love hippies (at least the real hippies--who no longer exist--but you gotta be able to enjoy a good joke now and then, yes?)

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Poster: amosearle Date: Mar 16, 2010 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

OK that's funny. The missus and I make fun of ourselves now that we live city lives and work in billable increments. When we visit our oldest and dearest friends from more laid back places we get irritated with them for being damn hippies who can't be anywhere on time and can't give a straight answer to a question or can't commit to an event or are too stoned to carry on a conversation during the prescious little time we have to share with them. We're the ones who are the uptight folks with the problem at that point.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 16, 2010 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Abso-frickin-lutely!

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Poster: cowboyth24 Date: Mar 16, 2010 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Well, from a straight cowboy. Can't wait for some tapioca, a ladyfriend, and most importantly, a little 12/12/69 Thelma!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 16, 2010 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Weekly Grocery Lists for Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist, Summer 1962

WEEK ONE
Beans
Bacon
Coffee
Whiskey

WEEK TWO
Beans
Ham
Coffee
Whiskey

WEEK THREE
Beans
Bacon
Coffee
Whiskey
K-Y

WEEK FOUR
Beans
Pancetta
Coffee (espresso grind)
Whiskey
2 tubes K-Y

WEEK FIVE
Fresh fava beans
Jasmine rice
Prosciutto, approx. 8 ounces, thinly sliced
Medallions of veal
Porcini mushrooms
1/2 pint of heavy whipping cream
1 Cub Scout uniform, size 42 long
5-6 bottles good Chardonnay
1 large bottle Astroglide

WEEK SIX
Yukon Gold potatoes
Heavy whipping cream
Asparagus (very thin)
Eggs
Lemons
Gruyere cheese (well aged)
Walnuts
Arugula
Butter
Olive oil
Balsamic vinegar
6 yards white silk organdy
6 yards pale ivory taffeta
Case of Chardonnay
Large tin Crisco

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 16, 2010 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

You have NO idea how many times I ate pinto beans as a grad student...you have no idea how diff ways you can make pinto beans, either.

Or do you?

My wife said it was almost a deal breaker when arriving at the place (premarriage) and seeing that everpresent pot of beans on the stove...and I thought it was an especially good batch.

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Mar 16, 2010 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs sorry couldnt resist.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 16, 2010 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Harumph!

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Mar 16, 2010 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Yo BD 9:30 tip for the Heels tonight just for you all left coasters to enjoy their demise. They reduced ticket prices from $40 to $20 go figuire. By the way looks like K got another call for the powder puff bracket.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 16, 2010 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

"Large tin Crisco"

lmao

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Poster: cowboyth24 Date: Mar 16, 2010 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

You totally lost me, just on the bacon to ham switch, way before there was any lubrication in the grocery cart. Made me laugh though. Back to UJB (made up, last verse vocals)>He Was>Gator :)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 16, 2010 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

from a list making fun of main characters in Brokeback Mountain. This is actually my favorite parody of that film:

http://www.ugoto.com/video_carlos-mencias-wetback-mountain.html

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Poster: cowboyth24 Date: Mar 16, 2010 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

I guess a set list would go; Bacon>Ham>Bacon>Pancetta>Bid You Goodnight?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 16, 2010 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

YES!

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Mar 16, 2010 4:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

" This article initially makes some good points "

I failed to see a single valid point in the entire article. Stereotypical horse shit really. Its like the fuckin teabaggers bitchin about taxes, then calling our county commisinor to complain about the potholes.
I don't know what it is about the right (yes I do, there hypocrites) that make them want to denigrate people.
1. I don't have dreadlocks, 2. don't even have long hair anymore. 3. I hate pachouli, the list could be longer , but just realized your an idiot.

So take your hate speech to a Republican "rally" I'm sure you'll find plenty of hate there to share.

So, ah stealyourwife, thats how you roll ? a hater at a grateful dead message board? Nice ! your an idiot.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 16, 2010 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Damn bro. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

If you can't find a single good argument then I suspect you're a self righteous, arrogant, narrow-minded, know-it-all

"1. I don't have dreadlocks, 2. don't even have long hair anymore. 3. I hate pachouli, the list could be longer , but just realized your an idiot."

Who said the article was about you? Your arrogance shines bro.

And you're already calling me names and writing me off as "the right" ... funny, typical but amusing nonetheless

http://www.redhousebooks.com/galleries/haight/death.htm

Haight Ashbury "Summer of Love" <-(corporate tag) By October they were done with "Hippy"

If people like you didn't cling so tightly to your corporate image and secularisms, maybe the whole world would be enlightened by now. Sitting around bragging to each other about how you "get it" while you roll your eyes at the ignorant masses?...theres nothing noble about that.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Mar 16, 2010 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

"If you can't find a single good argument then I suspect you're a self righteous, arrogant, narrow-minded, know-it-all"

Q: Why would you post hate about anybody unsolicted as it was, especially on a music board ?

Let's see Hippie 64 why don't you anwser that:

Hippie64: because he is self righteous, arrogant, narrow-minded, know-it-all.

"Who said the article was about you?"

I should only take offense at material directed at me personally?

A side note to this is my anger is sorta misplaced and I apologize, This article contains subjects that have contributed to a serious rift between my older brother and I.One that I'm afraid is permenant. I'm only saying this because I don't know you but stealyourwife... I know the type (how's that for stereotypical)

As mis-guided as I am at this point, I continue

"And you're already calling me names and writing me off as "the right" ... funny, typical but amusing nonetheless"

I called it right though ... didn't I.

Hippie is what I was called for tree hugging, loving the good and the bad. The democrat and the Repu. They called me hippie because I love the GD, Brian (my brother calls me hippie because I dont see the reasons for war in the middle east. They call me hippie at the boat shop beside my house when I go over there to complain that there releasing used oil into our ground water. Thery call me hippie in a smug way when I ask the fisherman to not toss there bait containers in the water because it's ugly. They call me hippie because I beleive in hope and change.
I embrace the term for not one reason stated in your article, but embrace it because like all labels they are only used by people who have a self-importance that they some how need to share with the rest of us, So "dude" in parting

"If people like you didn't cling so tightly to your corporate image and secularisms, maybe the whole world would be enlightened by now. Sitting around bragging to each other about how you "get it" while you roll your eyes at the ignorant masses?...theres nothing noble about that"

The corprate image is yours and nature is my church, so enlightenment won't happen in this life, but you'll find it in the next,(eye roll) Oh boy will you find it.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 16, 2010 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

omfg you are hilarious

You don't know me one iota and your assumptions were all incorrect. You're babbling about your personal issues in some pathetic attempt to justify your attack on me and I see right through it.

but whatever hippie64, don't sweat it, i aint mad at ya...let it go and deal with your demons instead of trying to project them on other people

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 16, 2010 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Well, probably took it the wrong way--I took it as a (tongue in cheek) comment on the myth that only the 2nd and 3rd generation wannabees, and the wannabee haters, would engage in, if that makes sense (ie, both are "mythological")...the originals, those that I think Hipster is defending, are an entirely different batch of sights, smells, and inclinations, most of which I have no real issue with...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 16, 2010 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

Frank Zappa was on to the phony hippie thing in 1968 !
"I'm completely stoned
I'm hippy & I'm trippy
I'm a gypsy on my own
I'll stay a week & get the crabs &
Take a bus back home
I'm really just a phony
But forgive me
'Cause I'm stoned "
( from "Who Needs The Peace Corps?", from We're Only In It For The Money .
I always thought long hair was about doing what you wanted, and not a "Hippie" uniform . Zappa makes the comment ( taken form some live show) on Burnt Weenie Sandwich, "Everyone in this room is wearing a uniform, and don't kid yourself ".
I have friends who look like Glen Beck, and I have friends who have dreads down to their ass .
I remember being at a JGB show, in which Hunter opened . Next to us we a couple dressed "to the nines" in hippie/deadhead garb . They talked throughout the ENTIRE Hunter set !
I enjoyed the rant, and there is some truth to some of it , but , generally, I like hippies ... even if they are a little phony .

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Poster: ned the head Date: Mar 16, 2010 4:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

What a load of bad karma. I think most of these people aren't very tolerant of people different from themselves.

There is a hint of spring in the air this morning. I think I'll find a nice Weather Report.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 16, 2010 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

"What a load of bad karma. I think most of these people aren't very tolerant of people different from themselves."

are you speaking of the article or some of the people here in the Forum?

(my guess is BOTH)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 16, 2010 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

I thought he was speaking specifically about the more bovine inclined amongst us.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 16, 2010 8:05am
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don't pigeon-hole me, you %#*&$%@!!!!


;)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 16, 2010 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies


Top o' The Mornin' Dire

How's the Coffee today?


We are all a part of the Hip Pie!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 16, 2010 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why I Hate Hippies

... and to you also :)

The coffee is delightful even though it is Folgers instant. Great for the morning quick fix :)


i think i'll have a slice of pigeon pie now; it is very Hip, you know?

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Poster: ned the head Date: Mar 16, 2010 7:59am
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Hey Dire, How you been?
I was speaking of the article and comments. I was the first to comment on stealyourwife's thread so I couldn't have been talking about anything else. I don't understand the order of the replies.

That being said, I found my Weather Report; Cow Palace 1974, the best year for the Grateful Dead and if you think otherwise...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 16, 2010 8:47am
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Hey Ned - things with me are great and I hope things with you are the same my friend.

areed about the Cow Palace WP :) And as for literal weather, there is finally some sun shining from the lovely New England sky - so it is a great day :)


p.s. i knew you were talking about the article, i was just being a brat (per usual)

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